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OPRAH TV APPEARANCE

It begins with Oprah making her opening comments to the audience, mostly made up of screaming women of all ages, dying to see Johnny! When I begin typing the dialogue parts, I'm going to use two letter abbreviations for each person's name so you know who's speaking.

Oprah's opening comments: (Audience going wild with applause and screaming, anticipating Johnny's arrival.)

"Yes. Good to see you. Good to see you. Great. Good to see you. Whoo! Thank you. Thank you. Too much. Thank you. So I hope you go out and vote today, because I just did. I just did. Everybody has to vote today. Now, OK, I know my next guest is not going to like this. He's not going to like it. But whether he likes it or not, I'm going to hold it up. (Holds up People magazine with "Sexiest Man Alive" cover) There you go: Sexiest Man Alive. I'm going to hold it up. Sexiest Man Alive. I don't know, what would that feel like? I don't know.

Now I haven't seen him. I have not seen him at all. I have not seen him, because I don't meet the gu--- (guests) if I've never met a guest, and I like to meet them when you meet them so I can have the same drool factor that you do. But my producers have met him. And they just came in and went, "Oh, my God!" And I said, "Really, what is it?" and she went, 'Oh my God!" So, OK, I can't wait. Did you see the movie, though, right? Isn't it wonderful? It's really wonderful. OK. And let me ask you this. Who cried? Did you cry? Oh, you all cried! You cried. I was -- you know what? I said they are not going to get me! I tried so hard not to cry! And only till the last -- I didn't cry for the (mumbles), I didn't cry when the (mumbles), even when the (mumbles). But then the last scene, I was like gone.

OK. Johnny Depp's new movie, "Finding Neverland" -- it'll get you. It'll get you. His performance is just superb, is it not? It is really superb. It's no wonder why he's called one of the most gifted actors of his generation. Let's take a look.

(Photos appear on large video screen on stage.)
(Photos from 21 Jump Street)
OW: The year, 1987. Teen girls everywhere just lost their minds over a young Johnny Depp in "21 Jump Street." (Photos from "A Nighmare on Elm Street")
OW: Fans screamed for his big-screen debut in the classic horror flick "A Nightmare on Elm Street." Johnny shredded his pretty boy image in "Edward Scissorhands" and critics raved. His smoldering sex appeal cannot be denied. Who could forget his performance as a passionate Gypsy in the Oscar-nominated "Chocolat." This year, Johnny swashbuckled his way through "Pirates of the Caribbean..."
(Photos from "Pirates of the Caribbean")
OW: ...and scored an Oscar nomination for best actor. He is a self-proclaimed Hollywood outsider, who lives with his beautiful girlfriend, Vanessa Paradis and their two children, Jack and Lily-Rose. Though reluctant he may be, Johnny Depp has been named the Sexiest Man Alive.
(She then introduces him as he walks out onto stage with women going crazy screaming.)
OW: Reluctant, sexy, Johnny Depp!
(They shake hands, greet each other, Johnny whispers something in Oprah's ear as he hugs her, and she says "It'll be fine." They sit down on the couch, and there is a small table in between their seats. Oprah has a bottle of red wine and two wine glasses set up on the table. Johnny notices them right away, picks up the bottle to look at the label, and softly whistles his approval.)
(JD spotting the wine)
JD: Uh-oh!
OW: Uh-oh. So, listen, they told me you like good wine. They told me you like good wine.
(Looking at the bottle label)
JD: Well, that's the one.
OW: So I pulled up one of my bottles. This is for you. A toast to you, toast to you. (Oprah pours wine for both of them and hands a glass to Johnny.)
JD: Oh, we're going to be drunk in a minute. (Smiling at Oprah)
OW: No, we won't. We're not going to drink the whole thing. (Oprah raising her glass in a toast) Here's to your superb performance in "Finding Neverland."
(They clink glasses and each takes a drink.)
JD: Thank you. Thank you.
OW: Ooh, good.
JD: (Smiling teasingly at Oprah) What do you mean we're not going to drink the whole thing?
OW: That is pretty good, isn't it?
JD: Don't you think we should?
OW: Yeah, well, the -- we can.
JD: All right.
OW: You can. You can. I know it's all a daze. But I remember seeing you briefly on the red carpet at Oscars.
JD: That was real weird, I mean, just because I'm not used to that kind of event.
OW: Hoopla.
JD: Yeah.
OW: Hoopla.
JD: Function.
OW: It's been quite a year for you.
JD: Yeah.
OW: How did you feel about being nominated and being in all of that hoopla?
JD: Shocked, you know. Completely shocked.
OW: Yeah.
JD: It was just -- yeah, it was just super bizarre, you know. I mean, I'm still in shock over that.
OW: Yeah. And so when you're--OK. First of all, it was a Disney film It's "Pirates of the Caribbean." It has since raised $650 million worldwide. But I think... (Audience interrupts her with wild applause and screaming.)
JD: That's real weird.
OW: I think in the beginning, people just thought, you know,it's a summer movie. It's about some pirates and the Caribbean and it's kids. Nobody.... (JD interrupts smiling)
JD: That's kind of what I thought.
OW: Yeah. And nobody -- but, obviously, when you read this script, you thought that you could bring something to the Captain Jack character that nobody else could.
JD: Well, I had--I mean, I had this sort of very strong idea of Captain -- what Captain Jack.... (his voice trails off so Oprah interrupts)
OW: Sparrow
JD: ...Sparrow should be. And was that his name? (Smiling and teasing Oprah)
OW: Yeah. His name's Captain Jack Sparrow.
JD: Thank you very much.
OW: OK.
JD: And just sort of stuck to my guns and went in there and did it. So, I mean, as you say, you know, the Academy Award nomination was a very strange thing, especially since for the first month, I was convinced I was going to be fired.
OW: Really?
JD: Oh yeah.
OW: Because I heard that the studio wasn't so delighted at first with your interpretation.
JD: (grinning) They were a little nervous.
OW: What? They thought he was a little...what was the word they used?
JD: (laughing) They used a lot....
OW: Ok.
JD: ...a lot...
OW: Yeah.
JD: ....but understandably nervous.
OW: What, they didn't like the gold teeth or they didn't like--they thought he was a little flirty?
JD: Effete....
OW: Yes.
JD: ....was one. Yeah. They didn't like any of it at first, yeah. The gold teeth, the beard dangles, the things in the hair, the dreadlocks, the...
OW: They didn't like any of it.
JD: No.
OW: And is it true that you modeled....
JD: They especially didn't like me. (Gets a big laugh)
OW: And is it true you modelled him after Keith Richards?
JD: Keith was one of the main ingredients. Absolutely.
OW: Really? You did.
JD: Oh, there he is. (Sees picture of Keith Richards next to picture of Jack Sparrow on the video screen, and they look almost exactly alike.) He's the best pirate in the world.
OW: I bet that's fun because you just sta...get to live out of your imagination.
JD: Yeah. No. Exactly.
OW: Yeah.
JD: I mean, you get to sort of -- and for me, I mean, having done the homework for the character, I just have to sort of step in....
OW: Yeah.
JD: ...step into frame.
OW: What was the homework? What was the homework?
JD: I actually--Captain Jack was--this is going to sound very weird, but he was sort of born in a sauna. (Audience laughs) Yeah. I was--I figured the pirates would have, you know, spent a lot of time in the sun.
OW: Yeah, in the sun.
JD: Sometimes, you know, grueling, you know...
OW: Heat, yeah.
JD: Yeah, serious heat. So I would go into the sauna for great lengths of time, which I don't recommend, by the way (he says this directly to the audience and smiles). And you start to get a little woozy after about 30 minutes. I don't think it's very good for you. So....
OW: No, they advise you not to stay in that long.
JD: Yeah, yeah. I know.
OW: Yeah.
JD: I know.
OW: And that's where the character came from?
JD: Yeah. That's where the...
OW: Are you making this up or is that one wine sip....
JD: (laughing) No, no, it's....no, no
OW: ....that one little sip did that to you? Yeah.
JD: Yeah, that's where he came from. Yeah.
OW: So I read...starting at the beginning, by the time you were 15, that you were--already had lived in 20 different homes. Is that true?
JD: Oh, maybe 40. Yeah.
OW: (looking shocked) Maybe 40.
JD: Yeah.
OW: Why so?
JD: My mom liked to move a lot. (Smiling.) A lot.
OW: A lot.
JD: Yeah. One time we moved from one house to the house next door.
OW: Just because she wanted to move.
JD: Yeah.
OW: Yeah. (Acts like she doesn't believe him.) No, seriously....
JD: My hand to God, yeah.
OW: Really?
JD: Yeah.
OW: So 40 different homes by the time--maybe 20, 30, 40.
JD: Probably--maybe 39, but... (smiles like he's teasing)
OW: So how do you adjust? How do you get to be, you know, every--if you're going in a different school all the time?
JD: Well, it was kind of normal for--we didn't know anything else, you know. So for us, it was kind of normal.
OW: Wow!
JD: You know, you'd almost have the whole neighborhood kind of looking out their windows as we were, you know, carrying, you know, boxes from one house to the next.
OW: Were you born--weren't you born in the South?
JD: In Kentucky, yeah.
OW: In Kentucky. (Some audience members start applauding Kentucky.)
JD: Great, great!
OW: Now why are you applauding? Are you from Kentucky too? (She addresses the audience members.)
JD: Oh good.
OW: Well, that is rare. OK, OK. And how did you get discovered?
JD: I moved to Los Angeles in 1983, and was basically an unemployed musician. And a buddy of mine, Nicolas Cage...(audience applauds Nicholas Cage)
OW: Yeah.
JD: ...great actor, and I was filling out job applications, and Nick suggested that I meet his agent because he felt I should be an actor.
OW: Why?
JD: Don't know.
OW: Don't know.
JD: Still don't know.
OW: Had you ever thought about it before?
JD: No.
OW: You really hadn't?
JD: No.
OW: I read that and I didn't believe it. It was one of those things, I go....
JD: Yeah.
OW:....they just printed that, because how could you be this good and never thought about it? How could that be?
(Audience goes wild applauding and screaming, and JD looks embarrassed and smiles shyly until they quiet down.)
JD: Oh, well....
OW: No, really.
JD: Thank you.
OW: No really, you never, you know, like watched "Bonanza" and thought you wanted to be Hoss?
JD: (laughs) All right, all right, I watched a little "Bonanza." I...
OW: OK. But, no, so you'd never seriously thought about it until Nicolas Cage mentioned it.
JD: Yeah. I mean--and for me, it was really just--I just thought, well, you know, at this point, I'll do anything. I've just got to pay the rent. You know, I was on the verge of being evicted and all that stuff. So...
OW: Isn't that interesting?
JD: ....I tried it.
OW: Because, you know, people give up their life. They go, they're on the streets. They're....
JD: I know.
OW: ....you know, thumbing rides.
JD: I carry the guilt. I....
OW: You--no, and they--that's their dream...
JD: I know.
OW:...and just hope and hope and hope, and you never thought about it, and Nicolas Cage says, "I think you should do this," and here you are. Well...
JD: (smiles) Weird!
OW: In our research, we found tons of teen magazines from the '80's with you as the cover boy.
JD: Not pretty. Oh.
OW: Here are some. (Photos of teen magazine covers start flashing up on the video screen. Johnny won't look at them. He grabs the wine bottle as if to drink straight out of it.)
OW: Yeah, take another sip. Yeah. So what do you think...
JD: I'll just drink from the bottle. (Gets a big laugh from the audience.)
OW: What do you think when you look at those pictures? Oh, that's kind of cute.
JD: They scare me to death.
OW: No, really. What do you think?
JD: Oh, it was a strange time, because I had become this product.
OW: Yeah, a product, yeah.
JD: Yeah, and it made me very uncomfortable because I...
OW: Made you uncomfortable.
JD: Yeah, because I didn't--I mean, I didn't....
OW: Being sort of labeled a heartthrob.
JD: Well, just--they just started to build this image and it had nothing to do with me, you know....
OW: Really?
JD: ...so it was weird.
OW: OK. So when we--you know, like I pulled out this Sexiest Man Alive People cover thing. Like I know that irritates the hell out of you. It does. But could you just explain to me why it does so much? Because I think a lot of people--a lot--all of them are saying, you know, "We think you are pretty sexy." (The women start screaming and embarrass him again.)
JD: It's not so much that it irritates me. I mean, I--on--you know, on some level, if you can sort of take that kind of thing seriously, it's flattering.
OW: Yeah.
JD: But, in fact, it's such a--it's so absurd a notion, you know, to equate my name with that....(he couldn't bring himself to say the title)
OW: Sexiest Man Alive.
JD: ...thing is so bizarre.
OW: It's absurd to you.
JD: Oh, yeah.
OW: And so even when you look at the cover...
JD: (Laughing) I tried not to look at the cover.
OW: You tried not to look. No. But when you see it, you see yourself--you see it and you just think, absurd. You just think, isn't that absurd?
JD: Completely absurd.
OW: But isn't it better than the opposite? Isn't it better than, you know, being con.... (Johnny interrupts and finishes her sentence)
JD:.The scuzziest man alive. (Smiles at her)
OW: Yeah, the scuzziest man alive. OK. But--OK--let...
(Johnny interrupts again)
JD: I think I've been called that as well, though.
OW: OK. Let's just think in terms of what, you know, sultriness is and sexy is, wouldn't you say that you are?
JD: (Looks shocked) Oh, no! Come on, no! No.
OW: What would you say? What would you use to describe yourself? Sexy would not even be in the Top 10....
JD: No, just a guy with a weird job, really, you know.
OW: Yeah.
JD: I mean, I just have a strange job. That's how I explain it to my kiddies.
OW: That's how you--what you tell your kids.
JD: Oh, sure, yeah.
OW: OK. We'll be right back. Next, Johnny Depp and the love of his life. And later, Johnny's leading lady, Kate Winslet.
(goes to commercials)
(Comes back.)
OW: Johnny Depp is here. "Finding Neverland" flies into theaters on November 12th. It's a heartwarming film about the life of J. M. Barrie, who is the creator of "Peter Pan," and it's already receiving critical acclaim, as is Johnny's performance. Here's the first look at "Finding Neverland."
(Excerpt from FN video clips appear on the screen.)
OW: "Finding Neverland" is a truly-life tale that takes us on a flight of imagination through the creative genius of J. M. Barrie, writer of "Peter Pan."
(More excerpts from the film appear on the screen.)
OW: Barrie, in desperate need of inspiration, finds magic in a chance encounter with a widowed mother and her four young boys.
(Another scene from FN on the screen)
OW: As Barrie becomes a surrogate father to the family, he introduces the boys to a whole new world filled with enchanted kingdoms, priates and mischief.
(Another scene from FN on the screen.)
OW: It is the fantastical foundation for Barrie's beloved classic children's play.
(Another scene from FN on the screen.)
OW: But just as soon as Peter Pan is about to take flight onstage, off-stage Barrie and the children face tragedy in a heartbreaking twist of fate.
(End of FN clips.)
OW: I think the mother in this film was really the unspoken hero, didn't you? Wasn't Kate Winslet beautiful? (Audience and JD applaud.)
JD: Yeah.
OW: Wonderful. Another superb--we're going to meet her in a moment. Are you close with your own mother? Are you close to your mother?
JD: Very.
OW: Really?
JD: Oh, yeah. She's my best friend.
OW: Really?
JD: Oh, yeah.
OW: You have her tattoo. Is that true?
JD: Yeah, yeah.
OW: Really?
JD: Yeah, up here. (Touches his bicep) It's there.
(Audience begins laughing as if they're thinking of other places that he might have tattoos.)
OW: (to the audience) None of your business! Johnny is the proud father of a two year old son, Jack, which I love that name, Jack.
JD: Yeah.
OW: And a 5 year old daughter, Lily-Rose, with Vanessa Paradis. (Vanessa's Chanel modeling photos appear on the video screen. Johnny doesn't turn around to look at them. No photos were shown of his kids.)
OW: Now you might recognize her from all those Chanel ads. Gorgeous. Did you--is it true--I've read this. You never know--that you saw her walk across a room, she came up to you and said something, and you said, "I'm a goner."
JD: Yeah, yeah. I saw her back.
OW: You saw her back.
JD: Yeah. I saw her back from about 25 yards away. And I was just staring at this back and then suddenly it turned around, and the back had a face, and it walked towards me, directly at me, and just said, "Hi."
OW: Yeah.
JD: And then I just knew, you know. It's over with.
(Women in the audience all sigh simultaneously.)
OW: It's over.
JD: Big trouble, you know. Big trouble.
OW: Big trouble.
JD: Big trouble.
OW: How would you say that she has affected your life?
JD: Changed it completely. I mean, Vanessa and my kids gave me life; I mean, put me in another--a whole other arena. Yeah, oh, yeah.
OW: What do you love the most about her?
JD: (Smiles mischieviously) Well, first, you've got to love her for dealing with me. Just being able to deal with me. Just--she's a great mommy. I mean, one of the most beautiful things in the world is to see a mommy with her kids. There's nothing more beautiful, nothing more sublime, I mean. That's true.
(Women in audience are sighing out loud again.)
OW: I don't know if you guys saw this, but Vanessa wrote quite a nice tribute to Johnny in the French Elle magazine called, "Johnny Depp, My Lover." And she said, "All that I dream of, wanted, need, our story is love and friendship united." She said, "I have the impression that no one could love the way we love. For us, the important thing is our family, our couple, and our children, and when we talk about work, it's not too much and never during a romantic dinner." Sounds like you found the love of your life. That's pretty nice.
(JD sat listening quietly, smiling, while Oprah read.)
JD: Yeah, it's amazing. Thank you.
OW: I like "our couple." I like her description of "our couple."
JD: Our couple. Yeah, that's sweet.
OW: Our couple. Is there a distinct difference that you feel between raising a boy and a girl?
JD: (Becomes very animated. Face lights up.) Oh, wow!
OW: Really.
JD: Oh, boy!
OW: Oh, boy.
JD: Well, yeah, my daughter, I mean, from the first second, was just a little princess, very delicate, very girlie. Incredibly sort of, you know, soft.
OW: Yeah.
JD: And my son almost immediately, you know, just would, you know, vault himself into walls and, you know, runs around now with these plastic pirate swords, you know, swatting at everyone and...
OW: How has being a dad changed you? Did it soften you around the edges and soften you in places that you didn't know?
JD: Well, it gives you perspective, I mean, instant perspective. You know suddenly what the important things are, you know, what's important, what's not important. There was a number of years where I was sort of freaked out about that strange, you know, word "celebrity," you know, just being followed by....
OW: Paparazzi and all that stuff.
JD:....photographers and stuff like that, you know.
OW: Yeah. (Smiling) You had a thing with paparazzi at one time, didn't you?
JD: (Smiling back) A couple of things, yeah.
OW: A couple of things. Yeah.
JD: But, I mean, once, you know, you have kids and you're sort of rooted in the earth and you understand what's important, all that stuff around you, the other things become like, you know, insects....
OW: Even paparazzi.
JD: Oh, yeah.
OW: Yeah.
JD: Unless they try to take photographs of my kids and I catch them. That's a different thing.
OW: And then it's over.
JD: (smiling) Well, it might be interesting.
OW: It might be interesting. Because, didn't you--you went to jail for a paparazzi fight, right?
JD: (smiling at the memory) Yeah.
OW: Yeah, you did. And Sean Penn did. I just talked to Sean Penn the other day, too, who said it was very interesting, too.
JD: But I went to--I was arrested in London, and I went to--the most amazing thing is when they--you know, they cuff you and they take you to jail and everything. And the cops were very, very sweet actually. As they're bringing...
OW: Or are the cops taking you away going, "Could you get an autograph for my wife? Johnny Depp, could you give me a picture?"
JD: They're bringing you in....
OW: Yeah.
JD: ...and this--you see this sign on the wall, and it says, "Custody Suites." (He smiles at this and waits for a response.)
OW: Custody suites.
JD: Yeah.
OW: Wow.
JD: Which I thought, that's a really classy, you know, thing. It ain't just, you know, a jail cell.
OW: Were you in a special kind of jail?
JD: (Laughing) No, I was in the custody suites in the...
OW: You were in the custody...(unintelligible). Yeah.
JD: Custody jail cell.
OW: Yeah. And would you react differently now with paparazzi, do you think?
JD: I mean, if they want to take a picture of me, I don't care. If they want to take a picture of me and Vanessa, I don't care. If they want to take a picture of my kids, that's a different thing. Because they didn't ask for any of this, you know. (Audience starts applauding.)
OW: Yeah.
JD: They didn't ask for....
OW: This life. Yeah.
JD: ...this life and the attention, you know.
OW: Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you on that. So you don't live in the United States, right? You live in--do you live--officially live in France?
JD: No, that's the big sort of rumor. No, I mean, I spend most of my time on location, wherever I'm shooting. Like, I've been in London for about eight months now.
OW: Was it last year you got in a lot of hot water for making a comment about the United States being a puppy?
JD: Right.
OW: Yeah.
JD: Yeah.
OW: What did you say?
JD: What I said, which was....
OW: What did you say?
JD: ...which was misinterpreted.
OW: Yeah. Yeah.
JD: What I said was, the United States of America is a young country compared to Europe, compared to, you know, other countries. We're young. We're 200 and something years old.
OW: Right.
JD: That's not very old.
OW: Yeah.
JD: You know, we're not thousands and thousands of years old.
OW: Right.
JD: That's basically all I said. (Then smiles as he adds...) I might have said a little something....
OW: But there wasn't a puppy--was it...
JD: ....about the current administration. (Smiles. Gets in a dig at the Bush administration on election day.)
OW: Oh, you might have said something about that. Yeah. So, what was the puppy quote?
JD: But that was not....
OW: What was the thing about America's a puppy and...
JD: Well, yeah, America's--you know, you've got to think of it like a--kind of like a puppy dog in the sense that, you know--but you have to--you know, in the sense that it's very, very young, but you have to remember that puppies have very sharp teeth....
OW: Yeah.
JD: ....razor-sharp teeth...
OW: Oh.
JD:....and one must be careful.
OW: Now--and didn't people--people came after you for that, did they not?
JD: Well, because, you know, suddenly the translation was that it was, you know....
OW: You're not American.
JD: ....America's ignorant and, you know....
OW: Yeah.
JD:.....you know, why would I do that? Why would anybody do that?
OW: Yeah. That's why I didn't believe the quote when I read it, because....
JD: No.
OW: ...I've been misquoted a couple of times myself.
JD: (Smiles) Imagine!
OW: Yeah. So--and is it true--when I read this, I thought, I've done that myself. When I've been misquoted on something and it's been misrepresented, I will get on the phone and call the people!
JD: Oh, yeah.
OW: Did you get on the phone and call the people?
JD: I sure did, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
OW: Yeah, yeah. And this is--what happened when you called the people?
JD: They were great.
OW: They were great. This is the thing. You call the people who have written these nasty letters....
JD: Yeah.
OW: ....and they back down every time. They're like, "Oh, Oprah, I didn't mean to say that." Is that what happened?
JD: What happened was they just said--I said, "Lookit, you know, the press is not representing me. Let me represent myself. Let me speak to you. And they said, "OK, what do you want to say?" I said it,told them what I meant by the comment, which was completely different than what was, you know, shot out into the public. And they said, "OK, I understand. I understand your point of view now. I'm sorry."
OW: Really?
JD: Yeah.
OW: How many people did you call?
JD: I don't know. It was maybe a dozen.
OW: A dozen people. Oh, you called a lot! Yeah. We'll be right back. Coming up, Johnny Depp's most romantic moment. And later, Kate the magnificent Winslet.
(Goes to commercial break.)
(Comes back.)
OW: Johnny and I are having a little toast to his new movie "Finding Neverland." When it comes out November 12th, you must go and take your children. When our viewers found out that Johnny was coming on the show, we heard from many of your diehard fans. You know, you've got some dieharders out there. They have their--Johnny! And they all have their own burning questions, burning questions they wanted to ask. First up, Catina wanted to know something personal. Take a look.
(Goes to prerecorded video of an audience member at a microphone asking a question of Johnny.)
Ms. Catina Moore: Hi, Johnny. I think you are absolutely hot. I know you have a way of charming the ladies, so I wanted to know what is the most romantic thing you've ever done on a date?
OW: (Clarifies to Johnny that she means ON A DATE!) Date.
JD: A date. (Smiling and thinking hard.)
OW: Or....
JD: I'm not sure I've ever been on a date.
OW: Let's see. Most romantic encounter. Let's put it that way. Most romantic encounter...
JD: Wow!
OW: ....that you can speak of in public.
(JD laughs and takes a big sip of his wine as if he's nervous about answering.)
JD: Yeah. Just getting to that. (He thinks about it a moment.) Rented a small silent movie theater once for a date with Vanessa.
OW: A sil....
JD: Well, actually, a couple of times. Yeah.
OW: You rented a silent movie theater.
JD: Movie theater, yeah. And we went and watched, you know, silent films, you know, that kind of thing.
OW: That kind of thing. Another question, from one of--someone who says they're one of Johnny's biggest fans, but doesn't everybody. Take a look.
(Goes to prerecorded video of another audience member asking a question.)
Ms. Erika Canale: Hi, Johnny. I just wanted to let you know that you bring so much joy and happiness to your fans, including myself. And my question is, what legacy do you want to leave behind when you leave this Earth?
OW: Hmmm.
JD: Wow!
OW: The big legacy question.
JD: Better have another drink. (Takes a drink, and seems to really have to think about this one.) Boy. You know, I just hope that people like the stuff I did, you know. You know, I hope the movies stick around and people like it.
OW: Really?
JD: And, you know, that my kids are happy, and....
OW: Do you take it seriously? Yeah. I know, you always say, "Oh God, we're just--I'm just an actor" or I've read things where you say, "Oh, well, I'm an actor. Who's paying attention to what actors say?" But obviously, you take acting seriously as a craft.
JD: Well, I mean, the term "serious actor" is kind of an oxymoron, isn't it? (Smiling)
OW: A little bit.
JD: Republican Party.....(smiling again at his second chance to get in a political dig on election day)
OW: Yeah.
JD: ...airplane food, you know.
OW: Yeah. I got it.
JD: You know....
OW: Got it. When we come back, she starred in the number one movie of all time. You know what that is, right? Audience (in unison): Yeah!
OW: Of course. And she was in also one of my favorite films ever, Kate Winslet is here. We shall speak to her when we come back.
(Goes to commercials.)
(Comes back.)
OW: Johnny Depp is here. And you're about to meet his equally brilliant leading lady. British star Kate Winslet plays the young widow who befriends J. M. Barrie in the new movie--it's so wonderful--"Finding Neverland." It's so good. I just have always admired Kate's work, especially in one of my favorite films ever. Take a look. I loved it.
(Shows video clips from "Sense and Sensibility.")
OW: Kate Winslet's stunning performance in "Sense and Sensibility" won her an Oscar nomination at just 20 years old. Next, Kate made Hollywood history when she set sail on the "Titanic," the number one movie of all time. A second Oscar nomination followed, this time for best actress. Off-screen, her leading man is Oscar-winning "American Beauty" director Sam Mendes. (Shows picture on video screen.) She's also the mother of two children, Joe and Mia. Now Kate Winslet is the heart of "Finding Neverland." She plays the dying mother of four young boys who inspire the tale of "Peter Pan."
(Shows video clips from FN with Kate in them.)
OW: Kate Winslet, everybody. Kate Winslet. So good to see you! (Kate comes out on stage to much applause. Greets Johnny with hugs, then Oprah. Kate sits on the couch in between Johnny and Oprah.)
KW: Hi, hi, hi!
OW: Right here. For you.
KW: Goodness me!
OW: Hi.
JD (to Kate): Oprah has very good wine.
OW: A toast, here.
KW: Yeah, I know. I saw that.
OW: Here, that's yours. (Oprah hands Kate a glass of wine.)
KW: I was watching in the dressing room. I was feeling really quite jealous.
OW: A toast to you, great movie. Toast, toast.
(The 3 of them touch glasses and sip their wine.)
KW: Thank you. Thank you.
OW: It's the first time we've ever done this. (Referring to having wine on the show.) This is a good idea. Cheers, cheers.
KW: Oh, this is my kind of talk show.
OW: Is it? Anyway, congratulations on such an amazing performance. It really is outstanding, once again. (Audience cheering.)
KW: Thank you. Thank you.
OW: Outstanding.
KW: Thank you very much. Thank you.
OW: Ok. A lot of people make a big deal about your weight. You look spectacular!
KW: Thank you very much.
OW: Are you doing anything special?
KW: I'm just tearing around after these two little ones. It just...
OW: Yeah.
KW: ...it just is great and keeps you on your toes.
OW: Just in Bazaar, I think I read where you'd said you felt in some ways guilty when you had your Caesarean for your baby girl because....
KW: Oh, yeah.
OW: Because?
KW: I did--it was the strangest thing. You know, I spent my life being told I have these fantastic child-bearing hips, you know. And so, you know, I breezed through this pregnancy, merrily eating and gaining 70 pounds, or whatever, and came to the birth and, you know, I'm one of four kids, and my mom had no trouble pushing all of us out. And so I was just very excited and really looking forward to it. And when I thought about the kinds of intervention that might come into play during the labor, the one thing I never thought about was a Caesarean section. It just didn't occur to me. And after 37 hours--
(Johnny gets a horrified, pained look on his face, grabs his wine...)
KW (to Johnny): You never knew this, did you? After 37 hours...
JD: Ouch!
OW: That's days.
KW: Yeah, yeah, I know. Oh, yeah. I know. And, basically, I got to two centimeters and that was it. And then they came and said, "You know, we're going to have to induce you, and this will get things going much more quickly," and even that didn't work.
OW: Really?
KW: No. Even that didn't work. And then C-section, there you go. But I did--yeah, and I did--because it was such a shock. I did sort of feel like I'd failed in a funny kind of way. And I think just because of, you know, my mum being such a great child-bearer and her mother as well. My mum's one of six kids. And so it was a big deal for me. And then I had...
OW: You know that's ridiculous. (Referring to feeling guilty.)
KW: Well, I do now.
OW: Yeah. That's ridiculous.
KW: I do now. And then I had my son, Joe, completely naturally, so....
OW: Epidural, though, right?
KW: ....there you go.
OW: Did you have an epidural?
KW: I had an epidural. Yeah.
OW: Good, yeah.
KW: I did. I was induced. And I did 15 hours with nothing, and then I thought, OK, now, you know, I really am actually going to fall apart. So had the epidural and that meant that I...
OW: (In disbelief) So you did 15 hours without the epidural?
KW: Yeah. And...
OW: God bless you.
KW: I....
JD: (Looks like he's going to be sick) I'm going to have a drink! (Grabs the wine and gulps it down. Audience laughs.)
OW: Ok. We'll be right back with more from Johnny Depp and Kate Winslet.
(Goes to commercials.)
(Comes back.)
OW: Johnny Depp, Kate Winslet, and I are sharing a toast to their new movie, "Finding Neverland," that flies into theaters on November 12th. (To Kate) You've been very outspoken, really, about I think a lot of things, but body--women's body image in Hollywood.
KW: Yes, I have been somewhat. Oops.
OW: Yeah. Yes. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. What do you want people to know?
KW: Well, I think--I remember Leo when we were doing "Titanic" saying to me, "You know, it's really important that you are the shape that you are" and I was like, "Well, what do you mean by that?" And it was kind of a really out-of-the-blue conversation that we had in the middle of shooting. He said, "Because there are so many skinny girls out there who think that to be successful and to be beautiful and, therefore, to be loved and respected, it means you have to be thin." And this kind of really struck a chord with me, and I thought, God, he's really right actually, in that in some ways, this image is being translated to teenage girls, you know, and that...
OW: Especially.
KW: And especially, and on some level, they really do think that to get a great guy or to be, you know, the smartest or the nicest one in their class that they have to be, you know, skinny and pretty. And it just really, really bothered me. And so when "Titanic" was so successful and I was....
OW: (Interrupting) Tell me that you had a piece of that. Did you have just some back-end piece or a portion or a percentage or something? (Referring to a portion of the proceeds of the film)
KW: No, no, I didn't.
OW: (Very down) Oh.
JD: (Looks at Kate like he can't believe it.) I'm going to have another drink. (Picks up his glass again and gets more laughs.)
OW: You didn't? I would think you would never have to work another day in your life unless you just decided I like the script.
KW: Well, you know, it was different back then. No one sort of really kind of knew who I was particularly, so it was fine. It was fine. It really was.
OW: It's fine.
KW: It was fine. But when....
OW: Just like one-half of a percentage point would be very nice, but, OK, you've let it go.
KW: Let it go. It's fine.
OW: Ok. I'll let it go too.
KW: Phew!
OW: I'll let it go.
KW: OK
OW: OK
KW: But then so when the Academy Awards came around for "Titanic," you know, I thought, you know what? I'm young. I'm 21 years old, and I'm in this movie, and it's very successful. And I've been nominated for an Academy Award for this. And I haven't done any of this through being skinny or through starving myself or anything like that, and so I thought, I'm just going to hold my head high and I'm just going to be the person that I am, and (audience applauds)--thank you. And I've just tried to continue to do the same thing. And now as a mother myself, you know, with my daughter, because it is girls, frankly, I think, who suffer the most with this kind of internal battle, you know, it's even more important to me than ever.
OW: That and plastic surgery. What do you--what's your take on...
KW: (Looking shocked) Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It just--that just drives me nuts. It just drives me nuts. Why would you want to, you know, inject your face with a rat's testicle? I mean, why--I mean--no, I just....(Audience is laughing, and Johnny looks shocked...grabs his glass and takes a big drink of his wine. Gets more laughs.)
OW: Is that what it is? Is that what....
KW: Well, it's something like that....
OW: Or whatever. Yeah.
KW: ....isn't it? Something strange.
OW: A rat's testicle, yeah, yeah.
KW: But, yeah. I mean, that is my feeling about it. It's--you know, I mean, we should all be growing old gracefully and just letting, you know, nature take its course. And more importantly, you know, for actors and actresses, you know, that's your livelihood. You know, that's--I would feel so dishonest if I couldn't move part of my face properly in order to portray a certain part...
OW: Right.
KW: ....or convey a particular emotion. And so it just really frightens the life out of me.
OW: OK. We'll be right back. Coming up, Kate shows off her special talent.
(Goes to commercials)
(Comes back.)
OW: OK. You do a really good American accent, too.
KW: Oh, thank you very much.
OW: Yeah.
KW: Thank you.
OW: Yeah. How do you teach yourself to be American?
KW: Well, I....
OW: Like, could you speak a little American for us?
KW: (saying to Johnny) Oh, God, don't you hate it when they do that?
OW: Yeah, I do. Take a sip and do it.
JD: I'll take a sip too. (Gets lots of laughs as he drains the rest of his wine.)
KW: OK.
OW: OK, good. Great. Good.
(Kate takes a sip of her wine, takes a deep breath, and...)
KW: (In a perfect American accent) Oprah, it is so great to be here. Thank you so much for having me on the show. And, Johnny, it's great to see you. (Audience cheers and applauds.)
OW: Excellent! Johnny, of course, in "Finding Neverland," does Scottish. So could you do a little for us?
KW: Oh, nice!
JD: (Looking worried.) Oh.
OW: Oh, good.
JD: (With Scottish accent) It was quite a long time ago.
KW: Oh!
(Audience cheers and applauds.)
OW: Oh, very good. Very good. Very good. We'll be right back. Next, the amazing child actor who I think he's....
KW: Incredible.
OW: He's incredible.
KW: Incredible.
JD: Amazing.
OW: He's going to steal your heart. You've never seen a child actor like this. We'll be right back.
(Goes to commercials.)
(Comes back.)
(Film clips from FN with Freddie Highmore.)
OW: At the time he did that movie, he was 10 years old. Now he's 12 years old, Freddie Highmore, in the new wonderful movie "Finding Neverland," which opens in theaters November 12th. Please welcome--(says to Johnny) you're going to introduce him to us.
JD: Oh, yeah. Freddie Highmore!
KW: Yea, Freddie!
(Freddie Highmore comes out, Johnny hugs him and pats him on the back. Kate grabs him and gives him a huge hug. Freddie sits down in between Johnny and Kate on the couch. Neither Johnny nor Kate can keep their hands off him, and they both are beaming with pride as if they are his parents. The audience is going wild with applause and cheers.)
OW: Freddie. Hello. What a pleasure to have you here. Pleasure to have you here. Oh, my goodness. We have never seen anybody quite like you ever.
FH: (Grinning) Thanks.
OW: Never, ever, ever. So did you grow up wanting to--well, grow up. You're--well, did you always want to be an actor?
FH: Well, I wasn't sure when I was young (audience laughs) and I thought it might be...
OW: When you were young, yes.
FH: Yeah. When I was younger, I thought it would be quite fun to do a small part and see how it went, so I went to an audition, and I did a small part, and then the parts got bigger and bigger and...
OW: The parts got bigger and bigger. So how young were you when you did your first one?
FH: I think I was about five and--yeah.
OW: Really?
FH: Yeah.
OW: Would you say that this is your biggest part?
FH: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
OW: Now I had read that Johnny is your hero. (Johnny sitting back on the couch, letting Freddie have the spotlight, but smiling proudly.) Was that correct--is that correct...
FH: (Grins at Johnny) Yeah, it is. Yeah, he is a hero to me.
OW: He is a hero.
FH: (Adds quickly) And, of course, Kate is my heroine.
KW: Oh! (Grabs him and hugs him again.)
OW: (To Kate & Johnny) Have you ever worked with a child actor like this? I had read a quote.
KW: (Pretends to put her fingers in Freddie's ears) I'll have to put my fingers in your ears so I don't spoil you. No, I've never worked with a child actor like Freddie, because Freddie is Freddie, and there's just simply no one else like him. I mean...
OW: Really?
KW: I....
OW: You can feel him giving. You can feel him in the scenes. You can.
KW: Well, yes, you absolutely can. And you can't help but react to the honesty that he's giving you.
OW: Yeah, it's pure.
KW: It's completely....
OW: Clean, clean clean.
KW: It's completely pure.
OW: Yeah, yeah.
KW: But at the same time, I would like to say that Freddie is also very much a keen footballer and a totally normal kid who would round the boys up at lunchtimes and they all completely played together and they all got on so great. That was one of the really great things, wasn't it, about the film? (She says that to Freddie.)
FH: Yeah. Yeah.
KW: But that's sort of a cliche, but it was true.
OW: Yeah.
KW: It really was like that.
OW: So you're going to be doing another movie with Johnny, is that true?
FH: Yeah, we're doing "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory."
OW: Oh, are you? Exciting! I'm glad we get to--so tell us about it. Tell us about it. Tell us about it!
FH: (Says very seriously) I can't say too much, but it's fantastic.
(Johnny grinning at Oprah and holding back laughter at Freddie's seriousness and secrecy.)
OW: Can you say who you play?
FH: Yeah, I play Charlie.
(Audience breaks into applause.)
OW: Fantastic! Fantastic! Well, congratulations to you. It just was an outstanding performance.
FH: Thanks a lot.
OW: Outstanding performance. We'll be right back. "Finding Neverland," November 12th.
(Goes to commercials)

(Comes back and closes the show.)
OW: Thanks to my guests, Johnny Depp, Kate Winslet and Freddie Highmore. Remember the movie "Finding Neverland." It is really great. Isnt' it, audience? (Audience cheers) It's just--ah--wonderful! Opens November 12th. Don't forget to vote today! Bye, everybody.

(End of show.)